If Realism was REALLY Realism...

Sinn · January 29th, 2010, 07:32 PM

The Boomer vile jars also happen to say CEDA, perhaps I should drink that? Just because it says CEDA, doesn’t mean its safe. After all, most of them are dead and the others you encounter have come back from the dead. "Looks like those suits didnt stop bites huh?"

Firstly, no one has come back from the dead. They are infected, not zombies, implying that they have never died. They are referred to as zombies because it's catchy and its the easiest way to market the game, and in terms of behavior, that's what they are.

Also, most people don't need to be told not to drink a jar of vomit, regardless of what it is labeled. I thought it would be obvious to people that the jars of vomit are specimen samples by the CEDA workers, hence they are not designed to be shattered in order to attract infected, that's an improvised usage. But have fun with drinking vomit, if that's what your instinct would tell you to do in a real life situation.

However if I did know that this needle was safe, I wouldn’t just ram it into my arm or leg like it’s a everyday thing. I would rather stick to pills in a real life situation…

Hopefully you'd know the needle was safe. Obviously CEDA produced them to be used for medicinal purposes, or to be distributed at evac stations to be used to escape hordes. In both cases, the needle would be sterylized and sealed. If you're somewhat of an alert individual, you may have even read some instructions somewhere regarding the safest methods of use for the product... I'm sure there would be something on the plastic case the syringe is in.

I think if you were actually being chased by 60 people trying to beat you to death, you would stop giving a shit about ramming a needle into your vein. It beats being beaten.

- Sinn

Tentacle Touchy · January 29th, 2010, 07:45 PM

I believe your sarcasm detector might be broken as it’s pretty clear that I wouldn’t drink a jar of puke; I’m not from 2 girls and cup! Also, since while I agree with you about them being infected; both advertisements and slogans state they are zombies.

As for your second comment, I may have to agree with you about the fleeing thing. However since most of CEDA are infected, I would still be wary of using the product.

GnomeChompski · January 30th, 2010, 11:18 PM

Originally Posted by Tentacle Touchy

I believe your sarcasm detector might be broken as it’s pretty clear that I wouldn’t drink a jar of puke; I’m not from 2 girls and cup! Also, since while I agree with you about them being infected; both advertisements and slogans state they are zombies.

As for your second comment, I may have to agree with you about the fleeing thing. However since most of CEDA are infected, I would still be wary of using the product.

Your way of talking slightly sounds like a foreigner...

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MarkSamurai5 · January 31st, 2010, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Sinn

- The katana would swing quickly, and wouldn't cause melee fatigue nearly as fast, but it wouldn't do well in killing the infected. The katana is a slashing weapon, meant to be use against another human opponent that will feel pain and go down after his or her stomach has been slashed open, or an artery has been severed. The swing of the katana against the body would probably knock a zombie down and cause a huge gash that would cause it to bleed out quickly, but not before it got back up to run at you again. The key to wielding the katana is to slash at the neck, knees, bellies, and limbs. Feet, shins, forearms and hands are easiest to remove because the bones are thinner, this would also cause massive blood loss or cripple a zombie.

If you swung an authentic katana for 5-10 min, you're arms will get sore, so I see getting fatigued so fast and as for "The swing of the katana against the body would probably knock a zombie down..." If you done Tameshigiri before, with proper technique, you can cut the torso in half in one slash (the Japanese swordsmen also used corpses to test the quality of their swords). Besides I don't think the survivors will be wielding an authentic katana nor they will be very proficient in using one.

Sinn · February 2nd, 2010, 09:14 PM

If you done Tameshigiri before, with proper technique, you can cut the torso in half in one slash (the Japanese swordsmen also used corpses to test the quality of their swords). Besides I don't think the survivors will be wielding an authentic katana nor they will be very proficient in using one.

Yeah I've seen some documentaries on Japanese steel and the mathematics behind the curvature of the blade. It's actually quite a fascinating topic if you have some spare time, the quenching of the hot metal causes the metal to cool in such a fashion that the steel curves upward, giving it its unique and deadly shape.

I'm sure they used corpses, too, but I heard they used slaves to test their blades. Makes sense to me, the consistency of flesh and organs changes once the body becomes a corpse; rigor mortis sets in, making the limbs and spine very stiff.

Besides I don't think the survivors will be wielding an authentic katana nor they will be very proficient in using one.

Yeah, I was writing my original post based upon the idea that none of the survivors had ever practiced the art of wielding a katana or any other sword. For an untrained person, it would take a very powerful brute force swing to sever a body into two halves. I don't think, in that situation, people would be aiming to cut a zombie in half, just incapacitate them long enough to get away.

That is a cool concept though, maybe you should be able to charge up for a very hard swing, or something similar?

- Sinn

GnomeChompski · February 4th, 2010, 09:16 PM

How about:

You get the cheering sound from TF2 when you hit someone on the head with a stunball if you kill a tank with a bat. And the "BOINK" sound.

VERY REALISTIC DURR.

DeathXV3455 · February 7th, 2010, 01:02 AM

I agree with you but isnt that kinda overpowered?

zII M V P IIz · February 18th, 2010, 12:50 AM

Originally Posted by GnomeChompski

1. You could shoot your teammates once and they'd die

2. 3 pounds from a Charger would kill you (broken spine

)

3. 1 hit from the Tank would kill you (broken ribs and/or face

)

4. You would slowly die after being hit by a Witch (fyi, bones are literally as hard as concrete, but your liver, spleen, insert vital organ here, is not.)

5. Bullet holes would be a lot smaller.

6. PILLS/PIPEBOMBS/FIRST AID KITS/ADRENALINE/BOOMER BILE/DEFIBRILLATOR/MELEE WEAPONS WOULD NOT HAVE FLASHLIGHT BEAMS!

7. If you were pounced, you would die in 3 seconds.

I;m out of ideas. Plz add more.

tl;dr I'm captain obvious.

Really? The game has zombies in it. How realistic can you get?

Zombie wearing armor · February 21st, 2010, 07:30 AM

I've got a few ideas

I'm gonna list as much realistic ideas i can find (some may have been already found)

1. One friendly fire = Instant death

2. Getting pounced would kill you instantly (if your head has been bashed into the hard ground) otherwise, the Hunter clawing at your soft stomach could kill you in mere seconds or leave you bleeding to death.

3. A Charger could kill you in 2-3 bashes (as said from above) due to broken/fractured bones

4. The chainsaw would be a dangerous weapon to use

5. Katanas are extremely rare nowadays and most found are probably props for display and break easily.

6. Crowbars cant decapacitate so easily. It's for breaking crates, not dismembering zombies.

7. An electric guitar would break after a few big hits with it

8. Guns used by inexperienced survivors could have trouble using it. They made them WAAY to accurate in this game!

9. Fire arms wouldn't be that common unless the millitary set them there for survivors to use for defense.

10. Swallowing those pain pills altogether would result in overdose and death.

11. First aid kits wouldn't fully heal someone, jsut stop bleeding.

12. There are awfully a lot of sweatshirt wearing guys running around in the hot sun...

13. A punch from a Tank would kill/incapacitate instantly

14. A Witch could kill someone in seconds.

15. Getting puked on by a boomer on your back-side shouldnt blind you.

16. Frying pans would be used more often as a weapon since they're so common (and maybe baseball bats)

RussianHunter · February 22nd, 2010, 09:51 PM

The Tank has taken Steroids or something.
It does look quite primal, like an ape's skeletal structure.
But the muscle that thing has?
If you get hit by a car going at 30 mph, there's a chance you will live.

Now consider a Tank punching you.
It can easily punch a car,
so that means:
1 punch = most likely more force than a car driving at 30 mph.
If you did get punched by a Tank in real life, there's no way you'd survive.

I swear the survivors are super humans =/ they're like invincible.

And the Witch's and Hunter's claws are as sharp as razor blades.
If you get stabbed, you can die.
But being clawed?
Consider being clawed by a large bird of prey, or a member of the wild dog / cat family.

In the game, you can continue being clawed for a long, long time before you die.
But right under your chest skin is your ribcage (Or, in women's terms, under the breasts.)
I think having your chest torn open would be enough to kill you. A Hunter / Witch has claws which I bet could easily slip through your rib cage. Infact, probably even cut or damage the bone.

And under the ribcage are the heart and lungs (Duh.)
So even getting those bruised can kill you.
But clawed?
Chest skin, rib cage, lungs / heart.

I'd say you'd have to be a VERY lucky man to survive that.

And the Boomer I agree with.
It should last longer. You get zombie charge at your ass for about ten seconds.
Vomit lasts much longer than that... I think there should be an after-affect.

You can see again but the scent of the vomit would still be there so any zombies in close proximity, and in the direction of the wind, would scent it and know you're there.
It'd add more challenge in opposal to the usual,
"Ok guys, let's go in this conveniently placed building and walk around the zombies..."

to,
"Well it looks as though we're going to have to go in this house. If the wind carries the scent of *gamertag eg. Bob.* Bob's Francis-vest-puke, they'll know we're here anyway. So if we can get them into a situation where there are obsticles, we can get them from a distance before they get to us."

Verus-Amicus · February 23rd, 2010, 08:44 AM

Its all well and good to have more realism added to realism (irony? yes please)

But if Valve made the game to realistic no-one would play because a single pounce of a hunter would kill you, an exploding propane tank will kill you, a single friendly fire incident will kill you etc.

And Operation flashpoint has taught us that gamers dont want realism, too hard, it will be like trying to get Nothing Special on EVERY single play-through, and since only 3% of the gaming community have got that legit that means valve lose 97% of its gaming community.

:I now I think im looking to deeply into this, As are you! (Person who is reading this)

bolandjf · February 23rd, 2010, 08:17 PM

I don't think Valve would lose any portion of their gaming community if realism was actually difficult. The guys who suck would just not play realism.

juggalogoth · February 25th, 2010, 09:00 AM

i am not very keen on realism mode i hate both realism and scavange lol.

ImmaRawrYou89 · February 28th, 2010, 06:31 PM

Killing a jockey while it's riding your teammate would either kill your teammate in the process or require remarkable aim.

Cancer · March 5th, 2010, 04:13 AM

there would not be a katana in any map not unless ninjas were traveling in the south

muddeprived · March 5th, 2010, 04:53 AM

Originally Posted by Cancer

there would not be a katana in any map not unless ninjas were traveling in the south

my ex neighbor had a katana sword hanging above the fireplace......

Sinn · March 5th, 2010, 05:59 PM

there would not be a katana in any map not unless ninjas were traveling in the south

So I guess there are no katanas unless there are ninjas? You know, its not like sword shops exist, or shopping malls exist (Dead Center is a fucking mall bro, they sell swords in malls).

I guess there's really no way to explain why you find random AK-47s in the middle of the street then, right?

People are so ridiculous. -_-'

- Sinn

Verus-Amicus · March 10th, 2010, 09:41 AM

Originally Posted by Cancer

there would not be a katana in any map not unless ninjas were traveling in the south

Even though Ninjas more often used Tanto's and poison than the Katana is besides the point xD

The "random" (and by random I mean eventually predictable) item spawning is supposed to be weapons used by people before they were infected, hence why they can seem scattered or even amassed.

Especially in safe rooms I find it odd that there are still copious amounts of supplies, I would have expected others to have taken more than their permitted share :P

thefatality · March 28th, 2010, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by GnomeChompski

1. You could shoot your teammates once and they'd die

2. 3 pounds from a Charger would kill you (broken spine

)

3. 1 hit from the Tank would kill you (broken ribs and/or face

)

4. You would slowly die after being hit by a Witch (fyi, bones are literally as hard as concrete, but your liver, spleen, insert vital organ here, is not.)

5. Bullet holes would be a lot smaller.

6. PILLS/PIPEBOMBS/FIRST AID KITS/ADRENALINE/BOOMER BILE/DEFIBRILLATOR/MELEE WEAPONS WOULD NOT HAVE FLASHLIGHT BEAMS!

7. If you were pounced, you would die in 3 seconds.

I;m out of ideas. Plz add more.

tl;dr I'm captain obvious.

If realism was really real it would be boring frustrating and no one would play it.